to those trying to break in – part two

i apparently touched a nerve with yesterday’s post.  besides the responses you see, i had several e-mails and phone calls from people in situations similar to nick’s.  besides the obvious similarities in the comments i received, i discerned an emotional undercurrent (something beyond dissatisfaction…angst?  truculence?) that should provoke modern church leaders (to either anxiety or action).

we can no longer tolerate business as usual!

i want to urge young leaders out there (the ones who submitted comments and the ones who did not) to weigh in further.   i posed a question to nick, and i’d like to put it forward here for consideration and discussion.  i said to nick, “you are obviously disillusioned…what is your major source of disillusionment?”

hey, we’re all sick up and fed with the current state of the church.  but have you ever considered why?  what is it, specifically, that bothers you?  what can be reformed and what is damaged beyond repair?

sound off!


6 thoughts on “to those trying to break in – part two

  1. Please someone agree with me. The American church model is way broke.

    The American church needs a leader. Someone who will sack up and stand up for something. We need a Paul, a Peter or if we are really lucky a Joshua.

  2. One more thing.

    I just read a quote from George Sorros is this month’s issue of Bloomberg Markets. It applies to this.

    “Americans suffer from an inability to face an unpleasant reality.”

    This dude is pagan and yet this quote is true in so many ways. The core problem of the American church is that the leaders can’t admit it’s broken and pull the plug. It’s like leaving the mafia. Once you become part of the system you can’t leave. I don’t mean leave the faith, I just mean leave establishment.

    This is where money comes in. Established ministers are tied to the church legally and financially. Their names are on leases and contracts and such. As a result, they aren’t free to make hard calls. It’s understandable, but it is still a problem. Unfortunately, many church people misinterpret necessary change and failure as persecution and attacks of the devil.

    I predict that the AG’s the Baptists, the Catholics etc. even the megachurches will be near bankruptcy within 10 years. The are members of an old system that is driven by money. The money is drying up.

  3. Every so often institutions, governments, machines or whatever the case, require a major overhaul, re-direction, an upset, a change… As time, technology and people progress and change, our institutions, governments, churches, etc have to change with the needs of the people. What was so 50 to 100 years ago, may not be so today because soooo much has changed. The early church went from meeting with Jesus on hillsides, to meeting in houses, to meeting under ground due to persecution. The “modern church” is still in the 50’s and it’s time for an overhaul. A paradigm shift. Tell the emperor his new clothes are no clothes. (Remember that story)?
    His word never changes, it is the same, yesterday, today and forever. It’s our thinking that needs to change. We can point the finger at everybody else, but the real change needs to begin in each one of us as individuals. Myself included. Personal responsibility, not blaming everyone else!

  4. To answer the actual question. I think some of the things that bother us are a lack of true relationships within the church. Tired of surface, Sunday morning christianity. Alot of talk and little action. Hypocrisy. etc. for starters.

  5. I can’t help but think that there is an insidious problem that goes beyond the church being broke. We, the individuals that make up the church, are broke. It seems like the “modern” church took a wrong turn at the intersection of personal responsibility road and Sunday school way. What I’m saying is that there is no personal responsibility for change. If we as individuals lived the way we were supposed to (i.e. displaying Jesus in our own lives everyday), the church institution would have to change. I mean, isn’t the “church” simply the conglomeration of believers that meet under the same banner? Call it grass roots, call it whatever, but it just seems that a true “paradigm shift” can’t really occur from the top down. Even Jesus didn’t go top down. God could have let Jesus be born into an influential family and be ushered directly into an influential position in the Jewish church. Then he could have directed a major shift to all of his subordinates who could have then taught their individual followers. But it didn’t happen like that at all. I guess I imagine a scenario that mimics Moses and the Israelites, only in modern times. If we did get a leader that got the church to repent and turn, who’s to say that we wouldn’t be making golden calves the second that leader slipped up or went off the radar?
    If there were more Nicks and Randys changing people life by life, that would affect real change.

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